After a pretty long game this morning against Sir davey crockett it was hard pushin up the middle so i decided a little bit of strategy was needed .
i went wide a few times and scored a few hangars wile my comrades where being slaughtered.And sometimes i was sneaking just in his view to draw him away from my team so they had a chance to get thu the middle
after the game i was on the phone with Davey he said it was the best game he had in a long time and didnt understand why people get all bent out of shape and start calling people sneakers ect he said he had the thrill of trying to work out who was coming from where and he enjoyed the hunt
great game davey always enjoy you being a red

It is called both, and both are correct. It is not wrong. Some folks can deal with it and others cant.

[*M] TR wrote: It is called both, and both are correct. It is not wrong. Some folks can deal with it and others cant.

BINGO!!!

It's legitimate, in my opinion. I find it odd that people think there's only one right way to play, and that's going straight up the middle and trying to shoot your way through to the target. Both sides blatting at each other with no real advantage is all very 1916 but it's not really why most people play.

There's another advantage to so-called sneaking - you tend to find reds trying the same thing and can defend against them. Personally, if there are enough people on each team, I've no problem with some people going up the middle and trying to bomb, while others take alternative routes, and some people drop and escort their teammates, defend or just free-hunt. It's how things were on the Western Front so why not embrace it?

It's also another way that less experienced players can contribute meaningfully and have a chance at getting near the target, as opposed to simply acting as Vickers fodder for aces.

It seems there is a more liberal attitude to dropping and camping than there was a year ago, so why folk have invented a new sin of sneaking is lost on me.

I SAY IF yOU GET IN THERE AND BOMB A HANGER OR TWO ...WITHOUT BEING INVISISIBLE..................BOOOOOOOOORAAAAH......TY MEAN FOKKER

Dognamitt wrote: After a pretty long game this morning against Sir davey crockett it was hard pushin up the middle so i decided a little bit of strategy was needed .
i went wide a few times and scored a few hangars wile my comrades where being slaughtered.And sometimes i was sneaking just in his view to draw him away from my team so they had a chance to get thu the middle
after the game i was on the phone with Davey he said it was the best game he had in a long time and didnt understand why people get all bent out of shape and start calling people sneakers ect he said he had the thrill of trying to work out who was coming from where and he enjoyed the hunt
great game davey always enjoy you being a red

I have been in many games where I have wished somebody would take the initiative to try a different tactic than just 'straight up the middle'. With the addition of team chat to the equation, I hoped this would open up a plethora of strategies to liven up gameplay, but at the moment it seems many people don't use it to gain a strategic advantage.

I try and use it to organise a strategic attack or defence, but generally I end up being on the 'underdog' team with a crew of newer pilots. This generally means that they have no concept of how to use the team chat, or they think I am trying to patronise them. Either way, it means I end up going straight up the middle fending off the stronger team. In that situation, I can't risk going off the radar myself as my team wouldn't be able to cope with more than one attacker at a time.

I only get to fly for a couple of hours per night, it is a treat to manage more than one game in that time!

I'm sure I'm not the only one that's noticed getting tossed into games with lots of aspirants, squad leaders, and wing commanders lately. Why this is, I have no idea, but I'd be sneaking too if I was in their shoes...they have an eindecker or an airco and they can barely carry a bomb until they get some coin to update. What else are they to do?

I have noticed way less complaining about sneakers. Either that or I'm indifferent now to the comments. Some guys still blow a gasket when somebody does it but as far as I'm concerned they can go piss up a rope. I'll do it from time to time although I still don't have the patience for it. It takes an awfully long time to get up that high or even to take the scenic routes. But now you really have to hope for a successful sneak or two in a game or else it just becomes an eternity.

I think we may be turning the corner on this one. Just don't think it's as big of a deal as it used to be.

Hear ! Hear! Love tactics - wish others would employ team chat and work together more. Separate the brains & brawn, and those that can employ both - even better.

Just to give myself away - my favorite tactic is in Capture the Flag where I will swing wide. Usually, I get 2 to chase (they take the bait). When I get them far enough away or start to loose them I turn and fight. My team mates have seemed to be able to take advantage of this. Its been fairly successful.

My pet peeve - Those who employ or take on tanks to the determinant of the game.

Lastly - for the most part I have stopped plying the bomb run games because of all the negative chatter on sneakers, droppers, etc. Maybe I will return if the landscape of player angst changes.

piss on a rope lol i hope they go piss on a electric fence ! i had the tank glitch on base but felt bad and hit auto destroy becuz there was one hangar left and it would have ended the game unfairly davey said he wouldnt have been offended if i took the hangar with the glitch what agent and a good losser
the game need more people like him after all it is a game

Aaaaaaahhhhhhh......

They have seen the light!!!!!! DF=FUN!!!!!!!

Kamikaze King wrote: I have been in many games where I have wished somebody would take the initiative to try a different tactic than just 'straight up the middle'. With the addition of team chat to the equation, I hoped this would open up a plethora of strategies to liven up gameplay, but at the moment it seems many people don't use it to gain a strategic advantage.

I try and use it to organise a strategic attack or defence, but generally I end up being on the 'underdog' team with a crew of newer pilots. This generally means that they have no concept of how to use the team chat, or they think I am trying to patronise them. Either way, it means I end up going straight up the middle fending off the stronger team. In that situation, I can't risk going off the radar myself as my team wouldn't be able to cope with more than one attacker at a time.

I only get to fly for a couple of hours per night, it is a treat to manage more than one game in that time!

Sometimes the other pilots just won't do "strategic flying", even if they're loosing (I've met a lot of this kind), just because they consider ir "cheating", well, the only way I see it as cheating is when outnumbered and the sneaker is in the outnumbered team.

Others just won't response to team chat, don't know if they don't like it or don't know how to use it, but when I try to build a strategy, a random guy just ruin it (they don't switch chats)

The way I see this: strategic flying as a diversion for the real bombers to go through

It seems like when someone is losing, someone else is cheating.......

The strategy and tactics that I learned, was taught, or developed on my own, has become one of the things I miss the most. Learning the other sides weakness and strengths. Then coming up with a way to use it against them. My favorite move is, to be a pawn and draw attention away from the newer players, struggling with carring a bomb and staying in the air. So they can feel the excitment and anticipation of, ones "Butt-Ox" clinching the seat cushion, as they get closer and closer to hitting the hanger!

I get no real thrill out of flying up the center and playing the "shoot out" game.... But then again I suck at that so, maybe I would feel different if I was good at it. Nahhhh, it would still bore me... But to each there own. I prefer to see the fight as more of a "chess" game and less of a "plucking off fish in a glass bowl".
In the end, the name calling cracks me up... "YEMX IS SNEAKING!!!!!" "Umm how can I be sneaking if you see me?" Lol the crap that some dribble after that, can be it's own fun to read, as I fly in circles so bombs get to find a new home!

Those that complain about sneakers I go in not sneaking just sneaking on the sneakers lol yet I go high at times others ill go wide left or right then if I'm going up the middle I do that in un even games only otherwise I employ different strategy in game

I'm always called a cheater wen I flank. Some ppl jus dnt like wen their out smarted

Sneaking is strategy and Dognamitt uses it very effectively.

Sneaking needs lot of patience as it takes more time to cover from one base to base, then comes the timings- decision to take when to enter the enemy base as you get visible in enemy radar and third one and the most important Team Effort - communicating with the team when to engage the reds to enable you to bomb the enemy base.

I remember a game with him in which every time he uses different way to reach our base. If you don't see him in a game for a minute or so better tell your team to be at base as he may come from any direction (except underground, which I'm sure he will be the first one to explore) and bomb your base.

To me sneaking can't be possible without strategy and only selective pilots are successful in implementing it and Dognamitt tops that chart.

Absolutely Blue. The number of times I've appeared over the red base moments after my teammates have helpfully shot down half the red team to find them just respawned and ready to defend... Yet co-ordinating with your teammates without warning the opposition ain't easy. On the other hand, the satisfaction of coming in from above just as the rest of your team is arriving at low level from the front is quite something, especially when there's only one or two hangars left.

Splitting your enemy's defences. Nothing wrong with that, if you can pull it off.

Cundall wrote: Absolutely Blue. The number of times I've appeared over the red base moments after my teammates have helpfully shot down half the red team to find them just respawned and ready to defend... Yet co-ordinating with your teammates without warning the opposition ain't easy. On the other hand, the satisfaction of coming in from above just as the rest of your team is arriving at low level from the front is quite something, especially when there's only one or two hangars left.

Splitting your enemy's defences. Nothing wrong with that, if you can pull it off.

Cundall now you have the facility of team chat which enables you to plan and coordinate sneaking / attack without the red knowing anything about your plan.

YEMX wrote: ... "YEMX IS SNEAKING!!!!!" "Umm how can I be sneaking if you see me?" Lol the crap that some dribble after that, can be it's own fun to read

LOL, Very well said.

Yes sir DOG, that was one fine game. Look folks, sneaking is not a bad thing. I actually like the sneakers, it's fun to find them. It should be an accepted part of game. It is a exciting part of the game. Nothing wrong with it.

It use to be where no one even talked about it. Now people get mad, WHY WHY WHY. it's fun to find them

I FIND THE ONES THAT COMPLAIN ABOUT SNEAKERS THERE DOING IT ALSO...JUST LIKE THE ONES COMPLAIN ABOUT CAMPING .....THEY JUST WANT YOU TO BOMB AND LEAVE SO THEY CAN SHOOT YOU...LOL TY MEAN FOKKER ...P.S. BUT THEY ARE CALLED SNEAKERS WHEN NOT SEEN ON RADAR...SO IF YOU FLY HIGH ....AND IN THERE FACINITY...THEY SHOW UP ON RADAR....SO THAT TELLS EVERYONE...YOU SEEN THEM...THERE NOT SNEAKING....THERE LOLLY GAGGING..THEN WHEN THERE SHOT DOWN THERE CALLED LOLLY GAGGERS FROM CHOKING ON THE LEAD THEY JUST TOOK .....LOLOLOL

was asked this question again by a noob so i thought id bump this up

I think sneaking is a form of strategy and is sometimes the only way a New Player will even get to see what his objective looks like.
I was complained to as a Rookie flying my little crate more than once. After getting shot down every 30 seconds after wheels up, a player has to look at a different way to get there. It takes a lot of patience and a bit of skill to pull it off and hit your target. I think maybe they complain about it as there are no easy targets to pad their kill stats.
In WW1 radar didn't exist. Sneaking is a bad word for it, really it's trying to stay off enemy radar.
In real War trying to not be seen is a key to living, so why not here.
The best thing about a Sneaker is you know he is not a Dumper. Well that's another Topic.

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Got through with a Sneaky Comment!

I do believe the idea of "sneaking", or whatever it is we shall call it, is not bad in the sense that it can get the job done, however, if you fly the outside of the map, and your teammates are getting destroyed straight up the middle with no defense or help from yourself, then it that sense it shouldnt be considerd "okay." By doing that and allowing your team to "go down" it can create a label of cowardice to be cast upon you, and it also goes against the whole "team effort" thing... Remember there is no I in team. Thanks for the post Dog, it actually is something to think about as to whether its good or not.

MERF

LIKE THE SAYING "IN LOVE AND WAR EVERYTHING COUNT'S" GREAT JOB DOG AND DAVY DON'T STOP SNEAKING OR IS STRATEGY LOL.

Using the entire map is all a part of the strategy IMHO.

However, if you are on a team that has the reds outnumbered, there is no need to skirt around the center of the map.

I have found that the best pilots and the best games have been right down the middle.

I tend to give the newer players slack if they are "sneaking"... but will point it out if the game is lopsided and an established pilot is sneaking.

I understand sneaking as a tactic, especially for those noobs who in those basic planes can't take on better planes.

Also, for the more experienced players, nothing wrong with sneaking either.

However with that said, to use it when you outnumber someone (either in planes or skill) is not cool. You're basically taking an unfair advantage. It's like having four MORAFs against 3 newer players, and one of the MORAFs sneaks. Why?

Agreed eagle i wont do it if its not honorable its all about morals and if u have them i just left a game i was outnumbered 3 to 1 and the dear brascus players thought it was cool to camp and spawnkill me no honor there at all if i sneak its to break a stale mate not to gain a advantage but everyone knows my game now so its not really sneaking is it?

The thing for me is, sneakers get an advantage over other players, just like droppers. Sneakers don't fly "the valley of death" but they go high or around, avoiding all bullets, hence no deaths. In this they just leave their teammates to die in the middle and avoid some deaths on their own score. I call that nothing more than cowardness, afraid to die and hence not willing to meet their faith. It also signals to me that you are to weak to beat the enemy, hence have to resort to sneak around him to get your win, in my opinion, the other side then deserves the win more. Multiple pilots also hate droppers and campers, because of them resorting to other measures to get an advantage over the enemy. I count sneakers as advantage-takers too, as previouly mentioned why.

There is, however, one catch to get me on board the pro-sneaker side, if all players use the whole map and dont neccisarily go head on, but just dogfight with their bombs on (ww1, ww2 and any other war featuring air-power only saw head on passes as a defensive tactic to defend your tail). That way the whole map would be used, and (in my opinion) it would be more fun to bomb, because I personally think head on is pretty boring... Then it also is more a matter of the hunt (which I personally like more) than of the kill (which I dont mind either... ) to get the enemy, as it used to be in ww1.

So with my point made; happy hunting everyone!