John54 for tanking his teammates and blowing up friendly hangers
Heroics and willbo were his teammates and have screenshots.

Keep an eye on a level 17 pilot going by Chief Master. In a game last night. Some team killing. Offensive language. And a couple remarks bordering on racism. Believe B.52 has some screen shots. Hidden Wolf was there as well.

I wanna add Straxxx. After i remarked about close missing in my tank, he started going off on me callikg ke noob and i suck. Keep in mind when i left he had 0 kills and 7 deaths whereas i had 44 kills and 20 deaths. He made some remarks about my mother and some inappropiate behavior with her. And called my teamate spidey my b word becuase he killed tanking straxx when i didnt....while he cowarded out of my range of fire constantly.

[/Here goes that screen shot Monster Cannon were speaking of concerning John54. Not the best of pix but Gud enough to get him Convicted In a Dog-Fight Grand Jury i]

Nice shot btw

Ok the other day pilot named flintlock 85 was throwing tank shells at me, well I kind 9f just let that one go. But this m9rning on same team I was team killed by him, not once or twice but 4 times. They were all on purpose, even had his back to the red behind him taking aim and bullets flying at me. I asked him and asked him to stop and he did it again. I think this player cud seriously use a ban. I'm not 9ne for teamkilling, but I swear if I see him in another game red or blue I will take him down. I'm a quiet person but I can only be pushed so far before I push back. Forgive me zup, lol
Oh btw, I have screen shots, but I'm unable to post them I may send them in message to hb and see if he'll post them for me.

chief master for language and team killing. He needs more than a 5 minute ban...

[M]Comet wrote: chief master for language and team killing. He needs more than a 5 minute ban...

Listed this clown a few days ago. B.52 and I ran into this clown and his mouth. Definitely needs a few days off!

Dragonrojo. He was red, and when i joined he was sitting on our runway too close for us to takeoff. He drops, but he uses that to camp. Dognamitt has screenshots

ZUP PLEASE GIVE THIS JERK A TIMEOUT FOR HIS NAME!!!!! THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!! OFICIAL NAZI!!

i am reporting M.O.M Gizmo, he team killing me while i was in tank, Dutch Joker and Kivi was there and they can prove it.
You may not like me but you can not team killing me, you should to know it better.

This guy is a real creep. I belive he was giving VANESSA a hard time also.

[*M] MISFIT CROCKETT wrote: This guy is a real creep. I belive he was giving VANESSA a hard time also.

This player should be banned. He is a idiot, that offend the people

After I said I didn't want to hear Allie's problems and I said the f bomb twice. I have been insulted by all kinds of people, like Brandman, nizer, lag, kneel, lilbadgirl.

Id id not insult you, i simply reported younand tild you why and you completely blew it out of proportion, and this isnt the first time youve been caught swearing on wc

Case IH Rules wrote: After I said I didn't want to hear Allie's problems and I said the f bomb twice. I have been insulted by all kinds of people, like Brandman, nizer, lag, kneel.

don't use the F bomb.. problem solved. You claim to be 12. If that's the case I can assure you using cuss words doesn't make you sophisticated or cool. Quite the opposite actually.

If you cussed (I wasn't there) you should probably apologize. That would be the best thing to do about now.

your are pretty much calling me a baby when you said I ran to the forums.

Viper10{WP} wrote:

Case IH Rules wrote: After I said I didn't want to hear Allie's problems and I said the f bomb twice. I have been insulted by all kinds of people, like Brandman, nizer, lag, kneel.

don't use the F bomb.. problem solved. You claim to be 12. If that's the case I can assure you using cuss words doesn't make you sophisticated or cool. Quite the opposite actually.

If you cussed (I wasn't there) you should probably apologize. That would be the best thing to do about now.

I was there on WC and he did cuss --twice. I thought this game was for 13 years and up.

They came after me saying that I am crap that gets flushed down the toilet
so I have to defend myself I don't think I'm cool by using cuss words.

At least from what i saw, we did nothing of the sort, so tell the story how it is...probably the worst thing that THEY said was that you need to let it go

There is more lag called me crap the he flushes down the toilet and drags my way of life through the mud and why should I let it go after you guys insulted me over and over.

Case IH Rules wrote: There is more lag called me crap the he flushes down the toilet and drags my way of life through the mud

Well that was flush, that wasnt me, so dont put my name on stuff i didnt do

Case IH Rules wrote: There is more lag called me crap the he flushes down the toilet and drags my way of life through the mud

From the few times I have played with you, you have mentioned you are a farmer and seem to be quite proud of that. Nothing wrong with that point of view at all and its good to be proud of who you are.

Having said that you should also know that defending yourself with cuss words is likely the worst reaction you can have. Let it go, apologize for the f-bombs, and put it behind ya already. That's my last recommendation on this topic. Good luck however this plays out.

I wasn't defending myself with cuss words that was in the beginning.
I said I was sorry to Allie.

Viper you are a good man you are not saying anything bad about me and I appreciate that.

hey I apologized to Allie I just want you and me to put this behind us, because this is kinda making us look bad more me then you but still.

Here's of picture of case cussing, not good

my response, while not necessarily totally polite, came after you slandering me racially and insulting me saying i flushed toilets for a living. ive said it before, and ill sayit agian here,
1. i have screenshots
2. give your whining mouth a rest
3. dont swear in general
4. give your whining mouth a rest


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Case IH Rules wrote: They came after me saying that I am crap that gets flushed down the toilet
so I have to defend myself I don't think I'm cool by using cuss words.

You do NOT have to defend yourself, and resorting to cuss words just lowers you as an individual. You may only be 12 but it doesn't matter if 12 or 50, many people don't know how to handle the feeling of being attacked in a conversation, whether in real life or online (it's easier to fight online, because you just hide behind a computer screen).

Here is a LONG read, but well worth it on how to deal with people online. I tried to clean it up but may have missed a colorful word or two, sorry.

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Being attacked in a conversation -- especially in social media.


In a discussion, learn to tell the difference between an ad hominem and an attack -- and respond to each appropriately .

An argumentum ad hominem (argument to the man) is a logical fallacy. It is basically saying a premise is wrong because of who is saying it.*

"That's wrong because you're a ____(fill in the blank)" is what makes it first an ad hominem logical fallacy against the argument, then a personal attack. (Remember this order, it's important.)

The counter to this is to argue the facts (stay on the topic) while basically ignoring the insults. I say basically because you call the ball about the behavior before returning to the topic For example, "If you are finished trying to insult me, may we return to the subject at hand? Thank you." It's doubly aggravating to them if you not only don't take the bait, but remain polite and calm.**

With attacks, it's name calling, spitting venom and hating first and foremost. Oh yeah, and you're also wrong.

But that you're wrong is not as important as how much I despise you and use the subject to justify the verbal and emotional violence I'm throwing at you. Name calling, buzz words (e.g., you're a cis-gendered, heterosexual, privileged white male), hot button words (racist, sexist, political leaning), accusations and insults are all common. Basically, you're so stupid, wrong and evil you not only don't deserve them talking to you rationally about the subject, the only thing you're worthy of is their contempt and abuse. Often you will see people use this strategy in social media or in comments without even bothering to add "you're wrong," it's just assumed.

Treat this for exactly what it is, an attack. It has nothing to do with adding to the conversation. While it can have something to do with shutting the conversation down, it's mostly about the individual self-soothing. Keep that last in mind we'll come back to it.

Two common strategies tend to manifest.

First, 'I' will escalate to flat-out abuse if you are silly enough to play my game. By that I mean get insulted and respond emotionally -- especially while trying to remain calm -- you become my target. I will heap verbal and emotional attack after attack on you, while pretending to be talking about the subject. "I" am an expert at spotting when my insults have gotten through and I will play with you like a cat sitting just outside the reach of a chained dog.

Second, is after seagulling*** and making everyone else uncomfortable with 'my' bad behavior, I will pull a grandiose "Elvis has left the building" exit. Often declaring both "I am leaving" and "what ignorant subhumans not just you, but anyone who is stupid enough to listen to you is." Quietly leaving is not enough, there has to be a grand soliloquy before my triumphant exit from the stage. (An unfortunate tendency for such people though is encore performances. Unlike the actual Elvis, these people hang around and monitor the thread to see how well their hate and discontent is working, then they pop up again like a prairie dog from hell to vomit more verbal abuse.)

When you see this behavior recognize it for what it is. Which brings us back to self-soothing.

Self-soothing is in and of itself not bad. We all do it. When we feel uncomfortable we engage in activities that sooth us, calm and ease our discomfort. This both emotionally and physically. We unwind after a hard day by having a drink or watching a favorite show. We rub sore muscles, sit in the hot tub, etc., etc. There is, however, a distinction between appropriate self-soothing and inappropriate.

Remember how I said it's an attack and you need to treat it as such? Yeah well here's where it gets kind of tricky.

See most people will say "An attack? Attack back!" Well you might want to think twice about that. First, as I also said, that's playing their game. While you're thinking in terms of defending yourself, in fact, it's you standing up and announcing to them that you've fallen for their trap. Like I said, they know when they have someone -- and trying to counter attack with hostile words and emotions tells them you're safe to play with. They can also spot when someone is actually going to throw them out the window and that usually prompts the Elvis has left the building plan B. But until that time, normal threat displays (that would make most people back off) just don't work with these folks. This especially when they're safely sitting in their front room and using the computer screen as a shield. What are you going to do? Get on a plane, fly to where they are and punch them out? So responding aggressively isn't really doing anything to stop the behavior. Worse, it's mostly you self-soothing yourself by going RAWR! RAWR! SEE HOW TOUGH I AM! RAWR!

Second -- and where it becomes kind of embarrassing -- is inappropriate self-soothing is kind of like masturbating in public. It may make the person doing it feel good, but to everyone else in the area it's disgusting and rude. Recognizing this is an important step for not falling into the person's trap. Someone who is verbally and emotionally attacking is mostly self-soothing. Something has been said that makes them uncomfortable and their attack is the equivalent of them pulling it and rubbing one out -- in public. Nobody in the area is going to be happy about this behavior.

Unfortunately that includes you doing the exact same thing. See whenever you try to 'argue' with such a person, there are going to be a lot of people seeing, not just one person misbehaving, but two or more people in a public circle jerk. That's why the counter-attack strategy might not be such a good idea.

I say "might," because while often the best strategy is to pretend you didn't hear it and keep on talking to other folks, sometimes, you have to do something. Now whether it's to quietly excuse yourself from the situation, delete the comment (if it's your page), take it to the moderator, turn it against the person or -- and this is the least desirable, but sometimes necessary -- 'argue,' all depends on the circumstances.

In media matters, I will often delete comments and then make a generalized statement about expected behavior in areas that I control. In public environments I will take the person aside and have a quiet discussion about expected behaviors. If it's someone else's territory then it's good manners to take it to the host rather than getting involved in a row. Often the person whose territory it is saw it, doesn't like it, but until someone complains isn't going to do anything. Your politely bringing it to him or her, is the call to action that person needs to tell the other person to knock it off. This strategy creates allies and if the self-soother goes off on the host... well, he brings on himself what happens to him. Mostly because other people will back up the host. On the rare occasion where a negative response from you is the best response, the response must be more extreme than the other person expects. (It's like a person who is normally calm and polite blowing up. It's not only no longer fun and games, but everyone else knows the other person really crossed a line to warrant such a response.)

However, turning it against the person, I personally find the most satisfying. Here's something about someone self-soothing in public. First is it's pretty one directional. Second it's limited range. It's really not that hard to side step and keep it from getting on your shoes -- if you can remain calm. The harder the person tries, the worse he or she looks. Once you look at verbal attacks as:

A Self-soothing

B Making a spectacle of oneself

C Trying to get you to do the same

your definition of 'winning' changes. In fact, you can help everyone else relax about this unacceptable behavior. Remember the purpose of the self-soother is to provoke a negative emotional reaction. That is that persons perception of power; that's the 'win' he or she is going for. Anything other reaction and that and the person loses.

A strategy I like to use both in attacks and ad hominem (but mostly the former) is to pretend that I didn't hear the attack and respond to the person's -- usually very weak -- points. Responding as if that person was legitimately trying to discuss the issue. Think of it as an opportunity. That person has given you a great platform. It's almost like someone feeding a comic straight lines.

Here's the person hiding his attacks behind supposed points and there you are calmly responding to and expanding your position on the subject. You're not getting mad or emotional, you're sticking to the subject. Anyone who is watching sees you remaining calm, polite and reasonable while the other side is running around in circles, screeching while playing with themselves.

Knowing that, which side is going to have more credibility?

If you can keep your zipper up, the answer is yours.

In conclusion, remember something very important. Between stimulus and external reaction there is a gap. A gap that we normally are going so fast with our habitual and internal emotional reaction that we fly right over. We have been doing this for so long we don't think we have any control. We feel an emotion and we have react. NO! Our emotions do not control us -- unless we let them. We can have an emotion, but that is all it is. An internal stimuli telling us what we should do. You don't have to do that. Someone verbally attacks you? Where is it written that you have to counter-attack? Where is it written that you have to self-sooth in public? This especially knowing someone is trying to bait you and make you look just as bad as them.

If you really want to communicate your point to people, don't fall for that trap. You can start by learning to spot the difference between a logical fallacy and an attack -- especially on the internet.


* Although not an exact example you can see the idea in action at the end of the movie "A Flock of Dodos." An idea for a much needed change in strategy was shot down because the man who had done it was *gasp* a racist.

** They'll often tip their hands and other people will see what they're doing. (I'm talking if they're smart, they'll scale back and just zing you more subtly. If they're not -- and a lot of them aren't -- they'll go on the offensive and show everyone in the room that they, not you, are the barking moonbats.

*** Flying in, sh**ting all over everything while screeching (and often flying away, but the person can stay).

Look out for tow guys. One is Troll Donkey who is taking down one team on take of from behind. Otjer one is popcorn. He parking behind take of on own are and killing own team on take off.

STRAXX

bombing while invisable
Bragging about getting reported and nothing happening to him
Language